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good morning and welcome to our sts-135

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pleased today to be joined by nasa

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associate administrator for space

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operations mr bill gerstenmaier

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good morning kennedy space center

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director bob cabana hi

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space shuttle program launch integration

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manager mike moses good morning

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and shuttle launch director mike

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leinbach morning everybody

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we'll open up with some comments from

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the panel and then we'll be happy to

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take your questions mr gerstenmaier

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thanks mike

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um first of all i really want to thank

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the space shuttle team and the space

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shuttle program for just a tremendous

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effort today and throughout the entire

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history of the program

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you know we

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i can't say enough about the team and

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how great a job they've done and we gave

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them a tremendous challenge to fly and

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execute these missions and to finish

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strong and i can tell you today the team

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accomplished every one of those

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objectives and they just did a

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tremendous job

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when we walked out on the runway and we

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looked underneath the vehicle it was one

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of the cleaner vehicles i've seen the

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bottom of the vehicle looked excellent

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the entire mission was very smooth a

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tremendous amount of cargo was

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station and the shuttle all that went

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tremendously smoothly

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everything worked just flawlessly just

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like it should on every mission so with

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all the distractions and the problems of

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uncertainty of where the future was

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going and things the team stayed focused

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they did exactly what they needed to go

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do and they really delivered a quality

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into the program so i want to again

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thank the team for for that i'd also

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like to thank the nation for allowing us

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to have these 30 years to go use this

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shuttle system this is a tremendous

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as i said stood out on the runway and

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stared at it i looked at this winged

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vehicle and i thought about all the

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systems and when they were designed back

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in the 70s and it was a true marvel

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looking at that machine sitting on the

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runway it really allowed us to do

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amazing things and it's going to

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continue to allow us to do amazing

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things in the future and and that's the

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the next steps the next steps are the

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continue to use the space station we've

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put it in as best of posture as we can

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for this next period of time we'll see

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the new commercial cargo providers come

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online late this year in the beginning

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of next year we get a chance to see if

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space can really be that research

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facility that we need we can learn new

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things from space that that are really

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unique and help us here so we'll

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continue on with that and the commercial

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activities and then we need to get on

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need to really get some some good ideas

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to go forward beyond low-earth orbit to

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thank the shuttle team enough for what

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they've done you know i recognize that

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improvement really comes from change

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and so this team that can accomplish

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you know i know that they can accomplish

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great things in the future both

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individually and as a team

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i watch them i wish them the best as

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they go forward they should be very

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proud of what they have done they've

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accomplished everything we wanted them

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and they will do great things thank you

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thanks bill bill pretty much captured it

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first off it is great to have atlanta

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safely home after a tremendously

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successful mission home to stay and

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few flights when you consider you know i

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the last couple years to safely fly out

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accomplished that and when you consider

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tomorrow is their last day

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and they're they've performed flawlessly

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dedicated to what they're doing and and

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one of them and i'm just really

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pleased i'm proud to be part of the

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program at this point in history

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safely flown out the shuttle and we're

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that today we're going to celebrate

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in the background and celebrate what we

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talented and dedicated team that we have

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across the agency that has been focused

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station and we're going to work on that

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heck of a heck of a program i uh

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unbelievably proud to be uh here

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representing the space shuttle program

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country uh that do the work uh the

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kennedy teams do an amazing job

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issues to talk about at all really let

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is is world-class there is none better

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space flight center uh put together

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culminated there uh right now i don't

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feel too much other than just a little

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bit hungry a little bit tired but um but

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uh it's been it's been a nice ride

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else without blabbering on so i'm just

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like to make one is uh to thank the

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and and you get to to love them all

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and those folks out on the runway today

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but these feelings from from myself and

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and from the other guys up here are true

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that uh the work the workers out here

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this program and i couldn't be more

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proud of them and to call them my

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friends and and to wish them well

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second i'd like to thank you all members

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of the press for uh for the years of

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service uh you've become family members

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as well some of you have gone way back

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jay in particular

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and so you all have been good friends of

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the space program too so i'd like to

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thank you all

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good day

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program is over mission complete

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everybody feels good that we got the

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crew home safely and uh we're looking

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forward to our next challenges thank you

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okay we'll take questions here uh please

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wait for the microphone state your name

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and affiliation and to whom you're

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addressing your question and we'll start

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off with marcia dunn

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marshad an associated press for mike

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leinbach

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when did when was the most emotional

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point for you this morning um seeing the

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shuttle walking up to it hearing the

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booms could you just sort of share

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share your sentiments

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well there were several marcia

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deorbit burn to go for the burn knowing

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that the that this mission was coming to

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an end out on the runway i found myself

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as i did with discovery and endeavor

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just taking in the the beauty of the

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vehicle standing back and taking

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pictures and

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and uh

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taking pictures of the workers and and

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uh

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them asking for a picture with me and

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and it was just a it was it was a family

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event out there today

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uh hard to describe the emotions um they

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were they were good emotions that we

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brought the crew home safely and the

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mission is complete

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certainly sadness that it's over and

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people will be moving on and and uh

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hate to see them leave but that's that's

328
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i saw grown men and grown women crying

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tears of joy

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to be sure

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and that was

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just human emotions came out on the

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runway today and

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jay

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bill

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the question today really is we're

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celebrating but when will astronauts

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lift off again from cape canaveral we've

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had 166 flights with this one

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and i know that spacex

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is asking to deliver cargo before the

342
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year's end with their dragon spacecraft

343
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they haven't yet got approval from nasa

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maybe you can tell us where that is and

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if you really think that they have a

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shot or boeing has a shot with their cst

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100

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to put

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astronauts in space from here

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by 2014 or 2015. what's your thinking on

351
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that and also for mr cabana my friend

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i want to say that we old guys took a

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vote among ourselves here today and we

354
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decided that these two mics setting up

355
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there are the best that you can find and

356
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if you mess with them we're going to

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have to come talk to you

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okay

359
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all right 25.

360
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well i agree okay

361
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i guess uh

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first of all uh

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in terms of the combination of the

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c2 which is the the demonstration flight

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where we were just kind of close to the

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space station with the dragon capsule

367
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and then we were going to do c3 which

368
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was actually go up and stop and then be

369
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picked up by the arm and then birth to

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station

371
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we technically technically have agreed

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with spacex that we want to combine

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those flights but we haven't given them

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formal approval yet we still want to go

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through some more

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analysis to go take a look and define

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exactly what criteria makes up that

378
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combined mission what objectives are

379
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there what the go no-go criteria is and

380
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there's also some details of the flight

381
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design we need to we would like to get

382
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through and then there's also some

383
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analysis we'd like to work with spacex

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in terms of their software systems do

385
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some monte carlo runs to go look at the

386
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robustness because overall what we want

387
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to do is we want to get to cargo

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delivery as fast as we can and if the

389
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systems are mature enough and the design

390
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is mature enough combining those two

391
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flights is that best way to get cargo to

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iss in in the fastest manner possible if

393
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there's still a little bit of work to do

394
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and there's a lot of work to do you may

395
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gain something by splitting them back

396
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into two missions where you do one you

397
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do a little bit less demanding but then

398
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that gives you a lot of knowledge then

399
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helps you apply that knowledge to that

400
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next mission that follows so we're

401
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trying to decide what the right exact

402
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step is but we are doing all the

403
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planning to go ahead and those missions

404
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combined the capsule's being designed

405
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that way the software is being built

406
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that way and we're just kind of waiting

407
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for the right formal time that we we

408
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collectively agree that this is the

409
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right thing to go forward so we're very

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aggressively working that with the

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spacex corporation through a series of

412
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reviews and also some internal reviews

413
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within nasa to get that activity done

414
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and there may not be a chris day we kind

415
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of talked about deciding that in july it

416
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may be in august september we'll find

417
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the right time when we get enough runs

418
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and data behind us so we can formally

419
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say we're heading that way but we are

420
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technically definitely looking at those

421
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missions being combined

422
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the next question is a little bit about

423
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commercial

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crew

425
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again i think

426
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there's a lot of work to be done there

427
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there was some meeting held yesterday

428
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where we're starting to talk to all the

429
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commercial providers of all the folks

430
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that could be interested in doing

431
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commercial crew activities

432
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we are in the middle of commercial crew

433
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development too which is a series of

434
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tests and and you know the contractors

435
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that are involved that the four that

436
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we've got and then we'll go ahead and

437
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continue to work through that we'll

438
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potentially look at some contracts to

439
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our contracts or spacex to go ahead and

440
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continue that activity we think that

441
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culminates sometime around in a flight

442
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in maybe 2015 2016 time frame

443
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it's a lot of work to really get ready

444
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to go carry crew and we'll let the

445
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technical work kind of drive us and see

446
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where we are but i think from a planning

447
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standpoint we'll look to that kind of

448
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time frame so say mid 2015 2016 we could

449
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potentially see americans again

450
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launching here from the kennedy space

451
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center but the first things immediately

452
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are to see how well cargo works to see

453
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what we can do from a cargo standpoint

454
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that's absolutely critical station and

455
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we'll get those first easier easier

456
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steps first and then then step up to the

457
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heavy lift announcement yeah heavy lift

458
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announcement um again we've worked kind

459
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of a technical recommendation we have

460
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we're still working through the

461
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the budgeting estimates associated with

462
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that we've got to show folks that we

463
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have a very viable credible plan to go

464
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do that so we're spending

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a lot of time in washington explaining

466
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to folks what the plan is what our

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technical recommendation is plan is

468
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probably too strong a term but it's our

469
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recommendation of the way we would like

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to proceed so as soon as we can get them

471
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to understand the way we've put together

472
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our budget assumptions there's an

473
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independent cost assessment that's going

474
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on by by a corporation it'll take a look

475
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at what we've done they'll also go look

476
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at the way we've put together the pieces

477
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to see if that's the right way to move

478
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forward and and maybe in the august time

479
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frame that activity is complete and then

480
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we're ready to go talk about

481
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more formally what what's going to be

482
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there for heavy lift but we've got a

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pretty strong technical recommendation

484
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we know what we want to go do we think

485
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we've got features in there that are

486
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that are really beneficial to us overall

487
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to keep us moving forward but we want

488
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others to review that to make sure that

489
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it is right before we officially

490
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i don't know

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clara

492
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over here

493
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hi clara moskowitz with space.com and

494
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it's a question for anybody who'd like

495
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to answer

496
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i know that up until wheelstop you've

497
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all been primarily focused on completing

498
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the mission and completing the program

499
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and i wonder just how much have you had

500
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to push aside some of the emotions and

501
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and how much have they maybe come to hit

502
00:17:03,910 --> 00:17:02,069
well for me uh you know

503
00:17:06,069 --> 00:17:03,920
it was kind of like that after launch a

504
00:17:07,429 --> 00:17:06,079
big wave of emotion went past and then

505
00:17:09,270 --> 00:17:07,439
it was in in little places it would

506
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bubble up during the mission you know

507
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fergie did a fantastic job of

508
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recognizing uh verbally all the folks

509
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around the country that have contributed

510
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and every once in a while you'd catch

511
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one of his speeches on the on the tv or

512
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i'd read an article that one of you had

513
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written that that particularly uh pulled

514
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it a string and and uh you know it just

515
00:17:25,990 --> 00:17:24,079
kind of occasionally happened almost

516
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every day there was a an instance where

517
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something happened um you know yesterday

518
00:17:30,870 --> 00:17:29,679
we got the the word that the empire

519
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state building was going to light up in

520
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red white and blue overnight for us and

521
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and you know that kind of just you sat

522
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there and you went you know you know wow

523
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so uh so it's kind of just been going on

524
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constantly and

525
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and today having the mission focus part

526
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of today pushed it back down again i

527
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suspect by the time i get back home

528
00:17:49,029 --> 00:17:47,360
it'll probably come back up again but uh

529
00:17:50,230 --> 00:17:49,039
for now it's it's still that mission

530
00:17:52,150 --> 00:17:50,240
focus getting the crew home today and

531
00:17:53,669 --> 00:17:52,160
that that went really well i'm looking

532
00:17:55,669 --> 00:17:53,679
forward to being able to go out to the

533
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opf and and hang out with

534
00:17:58,390 --> 00:17:57,280
all my friends down here uh that i've

535
00:17:59,990 --> 00:17:58,400
made at the kennedy space center and

536
00:18:01,830 --> 00:18:00,000
just kind of wish them well you know

537
00:18:03,110 --> 00:18:01,840
they're a big number heading out the

538
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door tomorrow and

539
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and uh and so you know

540
00:18:09,029 --> 00:18:06,720
it's just gonna i think it's gonna keep

541
00:18:10,630 --> 00:18:09,039
going for a while the emotions

542
00:18:12,710 --> 00:18:10,640
we'll do uh one more question on this

543
00:18:13,909 --> 00:18:12,720
side of the room and uh then we'll come

544
00:18:16,230 --> 00:18:13,919
over here and then we'll catch the next

545
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row here did anyone else uh want to

546
00:18:20,950 --> 00:18:18,240
respond to that

547
00:18:22,789 --> 00:18:20,960
okay sorry go ahead hi good afternoon uh

548
00:18:24,950 --> 00:18:22,799
francisco villalobos from noticias la

549
00:18:26,390 --> 00:18:24,960
visa mexico and the question is for mr

550
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kavanaugh's a two-part question but

551
00:18:29,270 --> 00:18:27,760
first of all thank you for your

552
00:18:31,270 --> 00:18:29,280
hospitality and behalf to all the

553
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spanish-speaking hispanic reporters that

554
00:18:34,070 --> 00:18:32,400
we were here

555
00:18:35,590 --> 00:18:34,080
your staff and your crew and everybody

556
00:18:36,950 --> 00:18:35,600
here in the center has treated us

557
00:18:39,350 --> 00:18:36,960
tremendously and we appreciate for your

558
00:18:40,950 --> 00:18:39,360
hospitality sir um

559
00:18:42,470 --> 00:18:40,960
the um

560
00:18:44,070 --> 00:18:42,480
mexico's

561
00:18:45,990 --> 00:18:44,080
and a lot of countries in latin america

562
00:18:48,070 --> 00:18:46,000
are starting to have space agencies of

563
00:18:49,510 --> 00:18:48,080
their own mexico in the yucatan

564
00:18:51,270 --> 00:18:49,520
peninsula has a very privileged spot

565
00:18:53,750 --> 00:18:51,280
similar to cape canaveral where perhaps

566
00:18:56,470 --> 00:18:53,760
nasa could exploit the possible

567
00:18:58,950 --> 00:18:56,480
launching site and as the future changes

568
00:19:00,789 --> 00:18:58,960
as nasa center in this new era of uh

569
00:19:03,190 --> 00:19:00,799
more international cooperation perhaps

570
00:19:05,750 --> 00:19:03,200
commercial uh launching i was wondering

571
00:19:08,150 --> 00:19:05,760
if mexico was one of your perhaps target

572
00:19:10,630 --> 00:19:08,160
areas and when perhaps uh if it's so

573
00:19:12,950 --> 00:19:10,640
when would you see a launch insight that

574
00:19:14,710 --> 00:19:12,960
you guys may see may use in the future

575
00:19:16,390 --> 00:19:14,720
that's one part and the second part of

576
00:19:17,270 --> 00:19:16,400
the question is that

577
00:19:18,390 --> 00:19:17,280
um

578
00:19:22,789 --> 00:19:18,400
the

579
00:19:25,190 --> 00:19:22,799
between launch vehicles

580
00:19:26,870 --> 00:19:25,200
space vehicles i'm sorry that we have

581
00:19:29,029 --> 00:19:26,880
that we didn't have when the apollo

582
00:19:31,510 --> 00:19:29,039
ended in 72 and the at the same time the

583
00:19:33,669 --> 00:19:31,520
shuttle was approved and

584
00:19:34,950 --> 00:19:33,679
do you believe or do you is do you think

585
00:19:35,750 --> 00:19:34,960
sir that

586
00:19:37,270 --> 00:19:35,760
the

587
00:19:39,430 --> 00:19:37,280
nasa could have been a little bit more

588
00:19:41,990 --> 00:19:39,440
assertive perhaps with congress when it

589
00:19:43,750 --> 00:19:42,000
comes to negotiating the budget or

590
00:19:45,590 --> 00:19:43,760
a little bit more assertive or

591
00:19:48,630 --> 00:19:45,600
aggressive with them to show the

592
00:19:51,590 --> 00:19:48,640
importance of funding uh the world's

593
00:19:54,230 --> 00:19:51,600
most most important space agency sir

594
00:19:56,150 --> 00:19:54,240
well let's see first off uh the kennedy

595
00:19:58,630 --> 00:19:56,160
space center doesn't uh make

596
00:20:00,549 --> 00:19:58,640
international agreements and any work

597
00:20:03,270 --> 00:20:00,559
that would be done with other partner

598
00:20:05,990 --> 00:20:03,280
nations or international

599
00:20:07,350 --> 00:20:06,000
operations comes out of the headquarters

600
00:20:09,029 --> 00:20:07,360
with so

601
00:20:11,909 --> 00:20:09,039
i wouldn't be involved

602
00:20:14,070 --> 00:20:11,919
uh from a point of view of you know gaps

603
00:20:16,390 --> 00:20:14,080
if you look back you know yes we had

604
00:20:18,549 --> 00:20:16,400
that we were gonna build shuttle uh

605
00:20:20,470 --> 00:20:18,559
originally we flew the uh

606
00:20:22,149 --> 00:20:20,480
we ended up flying in 1981 we were

607
00:20:23,909 --> 00:20:22,159
scheduled to fly in 78 there was a

608
00:20:25,190 --> 00:20:23,919
three-year slip there we flew the last

609
00:20:28,310 --> 00:20:25,200
uh

610
00:20:30,070 --> 00:20:28,320
apollo soyuz test flight in 75 so you

611
00:20:32,470 --> 00:20:30,080
know there was a six-year

612
00:20:33,350 --> 00:20:32,480
gap between when we last flew

613
00:20:36,310 --> 00:20:33,360
and

614
00:20:39,590 --> 00:20:36,320
we flew on the shuttle uh when you say

615
00:20:41,750 --> 00:20:39,600
we don't have a a vehicle to go fly on

616
00:20:43,510 --> 00:20:41,760
i know of four vehicles that are

617
00:20:45,029 --> 00:20:43,520
competing right now trying to be

618
00:20:48,149 --> 00:20:45,039
designed to fly

619
00:20:50,149 --> 00:20:48,159
americans in space and some are further

620
00:20:53,029 --> 00:20:50,159
along than others getting to critical

621
00:20:53,909 --> 00:20:53,039
design reviews so i believe we do have a

622
00:20:56,230 --> 00:20:53,919
plan

623
00:20:58,549 --> 00:20:56,240
to get folks to low earth orbit we just

624
00:21:00,710 --> 00:20:58,559
got to make sure that we enable it and

625
00:21:03,510 --> 00:21:00,720
and make it happen from a heavy lift

626
00:21:05,510 --> 00:21:03,520
point of view we've defined the orion

627
00:21:07,510 --> 00:21:05,520
spacecraft as our multi-purpose crew

628
00:21:10,789 --> 00:21:07,520
vehicle and we are building that and

629
00:21:13,110 --> 00:21:10,799
it's very far along in its uh testing so

630
00:21:14,950 --> 00:21:13,120
i think we have the vehicles uh

631
00:21:17,669 --> 00:21:14,960
more or less defined what we now have to

632
00:21:21,270 --> 00:21:17,679
do is follow through on our plan and uh

633
00:21:26,149 --> 00:21:23,350
here in the front row

634
00:21:28,710 --> 00:21:26,159
hi evan brown fox news radio for anyone

635
00:21:31,190 --> 00:21:28,720
who would like to take it if

636
00:21:32,470 --> 00:21:31,200
someone came to you in in april of 81

637
00:21:35,510 --> 00:21:32,480
and said you're going to fly these

638
00:21:36,950 --> 00:21:35,520
things for 30 years and in the process

639
00:21:39,430 --> 00:21:36,960
you were going to

640
00:21:41,110 --> 00:21:39,440
uh go hang out at the mir space station

641
00:21:42,710 --> 00:21:41,120
you were going to launch a an amazing

642
00:21:43,830 --> 00:21:42,720
space telescope and then you were going

643
00:21:45,669 --> 00:21:43,840
to build

644
00:21:47,990 --> 00:21:45,679
this this

645
00:21:50,070 --> 00:21:48,000
behemoth of a space station uh would you

646
00:21:51,510 --> 00:21:50,080
tell them that they were crazy or or did

647
00:21:53,990 --> 00:21:51,520
you think that oh yeah yeah yeah no

648
00:21:56,310 --> 00:21:54,000
that's what we're going to do

649
00:21:58,630 --> 00:21:56,320
well i'll answer that part way i i don't

650
00:22:01,350 --> 00:21:58,640
think i think back then that folks had

651
00:22:03,270 --> 00:22:01,360
great visions uh for the space shuttle

652
00:22:04,390 --> 00:22:03,280
and uh i think a space station was part

653
00:22:06,070 --> 00:22:04,400
of those visions that was the main

654
00:22:07,990 --> 00:22:06,080
reason for having a space shuttle was to

655
00:22:09,669 --> 00:22:08,000
go to a space station

656
00:22:11,430 --> 00:22:09,679
it just took us a while i mean if you

657
00:22:12,470 --> 00:22:11,440
look back on you know space station

658
00:22:15,029 --> 00:22:12,480
freedom where we were i mean they were

659
00:22:16,549 --> 00:22:15,039
looking at a space station in 1984. it

660
00:22:19,029 --> 00:22:16,559
just took us a while to get the final

661
00:22:20,710 --> 00:22:19,039
design and get where we needed to go

662
00:22:23,669 --> 00:22:20,720
the russian cooperation part that might

663
00:22:26,950 --> 00:22:23,679
have been a little bit different in 1981

664
00:22:27,909 --> 00:22:26,960
but again it shows how how things change

665
00:22:28,789 --> 00:22:27,919
and

666
00:22:31,190 --> 00:22:28,799
in the

667
00:22:32,549 --> 00:22:31,200
how valuable the space shuttle is i mean

668
00:22:34,149 --> 00:22:32,559
when you consider

669
00:22:35,750 --> 00:22:34,159
look at the american

670
00:22:38,710 --> 00:22:35,760
united states astronaut corps

671
00:22:40,310 --> 00:22:38,720
pre-shuttle and look at it post shuttle

672
00:22:42,149 --> 00:22:40,320
look at the diversity that we have the

673
00:22:44,310 --> 00:22:42,159
shuttle did that uh the international

674
00:22:47,029 --> 00:22:44,320
partners that we've flown that happened

675
00:22:49,110 --> 00:22:47,039
because of the shuttle so

676
00:22:51,190 --> 00:22:49,120
you know it's pretty amazing so i think

677
00:22:52,870 --> 00:22:51,200
folks had great vision for this shuttle

678
00:22:54,870 --> 00:22:52,880
it's what it was designed to do and i

679
00:22:56,470 --> 00:22:54,880
think it it performed its mission

680
00:22:58,870 --> 00:22:56,480
extremely well when you look at that

681
00:23:01,029 --> 00:22:58,880
international space station on orbit

682
00:23:02,710 --> 00:23:01,039
and evan bob said it exactly right but

683
00:23:04,149 --> 00:23:02,720
uh but there were those moments those

684
00:23:05,830 --> 00:23:04,159
are some of my most cherished ones back

685
00:23:07,029 --> 00:23:05,840
in in mission control where you'd you'd

686
00:23:08,390 --> 00:23:07,039
sit there and you'd be handed a mission

687
00:23:09,350 --> 00:23:08,400
and a bunch of payloads and you look and

688
00:23:11,350 --> 00:23:09,360
you go

689
00:23:13,029 --> 00:23:11,360
we're going to do what and uh and you

690
00:23:14,789 --> 00:23:13,039
know we're going to put this 100 foot

691
00:23:16,710 --> 00:23:14,799
boom over the side of the orbiter with a

692
00:23:18,470 --> 00:23:16,720
radar antenna on the end of it and then

693
00:23:19,830 --> 00:23:18,480
we have to do

694
00:23:21,669 --> 00:23:19,840
rcs burns in the middle of it it's going

695
00:23:22,950 --> 00:23:21,679
to wing around like a fishing rod but

696
00:23:24,230 --> 00:23:22,960
just like a fishing rod will time it

697
00:23:26,470 --> 00:23:24,240
just right so that we don't snap it in

698
00:23:27,990 --> 00:23:26,480
half and you see we're going to do what

699
00:23:29,669 --> 00:23:28,000
and it went perfect and we got one of

700
00:23:31,270 --> 00:23:29,679
the highest resolution radar maps of the

701
00:23:32,630 --> 00:23:31,280
earth on that space radar mapping

702
00:23:34,149 --> 00:23:32,640
mission and but you know that was the

703
00:23:35,909 --> 00:23:34,159
challenges and that was the the fun and

704
00:23:37,190 --> 00:23:35,919
excitement of this program is around the

705
00:23:39,110 --> 00:23:37,200
corner there's always something new and

706
00:23:41,190 --> 00:23:39,120
different a new challenge and and you'd

707
00:23:43,110 --> 00:23:41,200
incorporate some new activity some new

708
00:23:44,950 --> 00:23:43,120
payload the station when we first

709
00:23:46,549 --> 00:23:44,960
started it was going to be

710
00:23:47,990 --> 00:23:46,559
not not as

711
00:23:49,669 --> 00:23:48,000
as big or as intense it was going to be

712
00:23:50,390 --> 00:23:49,679
a lot of self-assembly with robotics we

713
00:23:51,669 --> 00:23:50,400
realized

714
00:23:53,990 --> 00:23:51,679
we weren't quite ready to do that we

715
00:23:55,269 --> 00:23:54,000
threw the eva team into the mix you know

716
00:23:56,630 --> 00:23:55,279
just everything we've learned every day

717
00:23:58,310 --> 00:23:56,640
that this program has been in existence

718
00:23:59,830 --> 00:23:58,320
has been has been amazing i think the

719
00:24:00,950 --> 00:23:59,840
vision was there at the beginning but i

720
00:24:03,510 --> 00:24:00,960
think those folks would look at what we

721
00:24:05,830 --> 00:24:03,520
did now and and be really proud of just

722
00:24:08,390 --> 00:24:05,840
how mature that vision became and

723
00:24:10,470 --> 00:24:08,400
a lot of it real quick you know it it's

724
00:24:12,230 --> 00:24:10,480
not the hardware in in a lot of times

725
00:24:14,230 --> 00:24:12,240
things don't get used for what they were

726
00:24:16,549 --> 00:24:14,240
designed to do but it's the ingenuity of

727
00:24:17,350 --> 00:24:16,559
the people in the team that are able to

728
00:24:19,830 --> 00:24:17,360
take

729
00:24:21,590 --> 00:24:19,840
you know something and make it happen it

730
00:24:23,190 --> 00:24:21,600
may be different from what was intended

731
00:24:25,190 --> 00:24:23,200
or when we ran into problems look at all

732
00:24:27,430 --> 00:24:25,200
the problems we ran into with the space

733
00:24:29,269 --> 00:24:27,440
shuttle and

734
00:24:31,430 --> 00:24:29,279
how we solved them you know on orbit

735
00:24:33,029 --> 00:24:31,440
rescuing satellites and so on and it's

736
00:24:35,590 --> 00:24:33,039
that it's a team

737
00:24:37,269 --> 00:24:35,600
as great as the hardware is it's a team

738
00:24:39,430 --> 00:24:37,279
that makes it what it is and that's why

739
00:24:41,269 --> 00:24:39,440
i'm so confident about our future

740
00:24:43,430 --> 00:24:41,279
because you know we still got this

741
00:24:44,870 --> 00:24:43,440
outstanding amazing team that's going to

742
00:24:46,470 --> 00:24:44,880
make it happen

743
00:24:49,430 --> 00:24:46,480
and and i would say the same kind of

744
00:24:51,190 --> 00:24:49,440
thing is as we reflect today right we

745
00:24:53,029 --> 00:24:51,200
kind of want to have a perfect plan for

746
00:24:55,510 --> 00:24:53,039
the future right we're going to go do x

747
00:24:57,590 --> 00:24:55,520
y z and all these things that's not so

748
00:24:59,190 --> 00:24:57,600
important in my mind because you're not

749
00:25:01,029 --> 00:24:59,200
necessarily going to achieve all those

750
00:25:03,430 --> 00:25:01,039
things and precisely the order or the

751
00:25:06,390 --> 00:25:03,440
precise the timing but if you take that

752
00:25:08,870 --> 00:25:06,400
step and you go with the right

753
00:25:10,789 --> 00:25:08,880
bigger vision and the right agility and

754
00:25:12,789 --> 00:25:10,799
you challenge this team to go do things

755
00:25:14,870 --> 00:25:12,799
you can accomplish amazing things that

756
00:25:16,710 --> 00:25:14,880
actually exceed what you've really

757
00:25:18,710 --> 00:25:16,720
intended to begin with you know in the

758
00:25:20,549 --> 00:25:18,720
research field the big breakthroughs

759
00:25:22,230 --> 00:25:20,559
don't come from incremental steps they

760
00:25:24,470 --> 00:25:22,240
come from somebody observing something

761
00:25:26,149 --> 00:25:24,480
that they didn't really intend to see

762
00:25:28,789 --> 00:25:26,159
and then that human is smart enough to

763
00:25:31,350 --> 00:25:28,799
pull off of that that that data and then

764
00:25:32,870 --> 00:25:31,360
that really advances the next steps and

765
00:25:34,870 --> 00:25:32,880
and so as you look back on the shuttle

766
00:25:37,029 --> 00:25:34,880
did it achieve exactly what we planned

767
00:25:39,669 --> 00:25:37,039
no but look at all the other things that

768
00:25:41,510 --> 00:25:39,679
it's enabled now the next program don't

769
00:25:42,950 --> 00:25:41,520
worry so much being about being precise

770
00:25:45,510 --> 00:25:42,960
of what it's got to go do and try to

771
00:25:47,350 --> 00:25:45,520
justify every penny that goes into it

772
00:25:48,950 --> 00:25:47,360
get that ingenuity out there to

773
00:25:51,590 --> 00:25:48,960
challenge the workforce to challenge

774
00:25:53,669 --> 00:25:51,600
human ingenuity to really push and you

775
00:25:55,830 --> 00:25:53,679
don't know where this this country and

776
00:25:57,430 --> 00:25:55,840
this this people pulling together can

777
00:25:59,510 --> 00:25:57,440
actually accomplish and what they can go

778
00:26:01,669 --> 00:25:59,520
do

779
00:26:05,510 --> 00:26:01,679
craig

780
00:26:07,029 --> 00:26:05,520
aerospace america for

781
00:26:10,310 --> 00:26:07,039
bill

782
00:26:13,510 --> 00:26:10,320
comment there about technical

783
00:26:17,430 --> 00:26:13,520
recommendations for the heavy lift

784
00:26:20,230 --> 00:26:18,950
lock's

785
00:26:21,510 --> 00:26:20,240
rp1

786
00:26:22,710 --> 00:26:21,520
engine

787
00:26:25,990 --> 00:26:22,720
development

788
00:26:26,710 --> 00:26:26,000
falls in the overall picture possibly as

789
00:26:28,549 --> 00:26:26,720
a

790
00:26:30,710 --> 00:26:28,559
follow-on to

791
00:26:33,909 --> 00:26:30,720
an ssme

792
00:26:36,870 --> 00:26:33,919
power plant for the heavy lift

793
00:26:39,669 --> 00:26:36,880
yeah again it's you know until the uh

794
00:26:41,350 --> 00:26:39,679
the the plan is really approved it's

795
00:26:43,830 --> 00:26:41,360
probably premature for me to talk about

796
00:26:46,070 --> 00:26:43,840
the specifics and details but we've

797
00:26:48,549 --> 00:26:46,080
we've got an approach that that tries to

798
00:26:51,269 --> 00:26:48,559
leverage off of what we've got today but

799
00:26:53,190 --> 00:26:51,279
then it also allows for new technology

800
00:26:55,430 --> 00:26:53,200
to get entered in at the right time and

801
00:26:56,230 --> 00:26:55,440
move forward so so we've got to so we're

802
00:27:01,350 --> 00:26:56,240
not

803
00:27:03,029 --> 00:27:01,360
lox rp for some aspect of this thing we

804
00:27:04,870 --> 00:27:03,039
think there's some potential there we

805
00:27:07,029 --> 00:27:04,880
think solids also can have a potential

806
00:27:09,510 --> 00:27:07,039
but the idea is then how do you you let

807
00:27:11,510 --> 00:27:09,520
competition or let ingenuity drive some

808
00:27:13,350 --> 00:27:11,520
of those those pieces so we've kind of

809
00:27:15,830 --> 00:27:13,360
laid out a framework to go do that from

810
00:27:17,350 --> 00:27:15,840
a decision process i can't say too much

811
00:27:19,430 --> 00:27:17,360
more until it gets a little bit more

812
00:27:21,430 --> 00:27:19,440
approval but but that's the basic kind

813
00:27:23,269 --> 00:27:21,440
of concept that we've laid out to try to

814
00:27:25,110 --> 00:27:23,279
to not totally discount what we've got

815
00:27:27,190 --> 00:27:25,120
in the past but to use it where it makes

816
00:27:29,350 --> 00:27:27,200
sense but then also gives a growth path

817
00:27:30,789 --> 00:27:29,360
to interject some new technology if it's

818
00:27:32,830 --> 00:27:30,799
really there and it's really mature and

819
00:27:35,750 --> 00:27:32,840
ready to go

820
00:27:37,350 --> 00:27:35,760
forward um robert

821
00:27:39,269 --> 00:27:37,360
hi uh robert perlman with

822
00:27:41,190 --> 00:27:39,279
collectspace.com uh with i guess a

823
00:27:42,310 --> 00:27:41,200
question for anyone who wants to take it

824
00:27:43,830 --> 00:27:42,320
um

825
00:27:46,149 --> 00:27:43,840
i realize the shuttle program or at

826
00:27:48,470 --> 00:27:46,159
least the shuttle flights uh are only

827
00:27:50,549 --> 00:27:48,480
hours uh over but

828
00:27:52,789 --> 00:27:50,559
trying to put the program into a

829
00:27:54,470 --> 00:27:52,799
perspective of the human space flight

830
00:27:55,750 --> 00:27:54,480
legacy

831
00:27:57,430 --> 00:27:55,760
i wonder

832
00:27:59,669 --> 00:27:57,440
if you feel that

833
00:28:02,310 --> 00:27:59,679
the shuttle will be appreciated for what

834
00:28:04,950 --> 00:28:02,320
it what it has done what it did do or

835
00:28:06,789 --> 00:28:04,960
whether like gemini has in in between

836
00:28:08,070 --> 00:28:06,799
mercury and apollo it'll become the

837
00:28:10,310 --> 00:28:08,080
unsung

838
00:28:11,269 --> 00:28:10,320
workhorse of getting us to that next

839
00:28:14,310 --> 00:28:11,279
step

840
00:28:17,029 --> 00:28:14,320
um which in now is exploration beyond

841
00:28:18,470 --> 00:28:17,039
low earth orbit

842
00:28:21,269 --> 00:28:18,480
i'll go first

843
00:28:23,510 --> 00:28:21,279
i don't see how the shuttle cannot help

844
00:28:24,870 --> 00:28:23,520
but be recognized for the outstanding

845
00:28:26,310 --> 00:28:24,880
vehicle

846
00:28:29,110 --> 00:28:26,320
that it is

847
00:28:31,510 --> 00:28:29,120
it allowed us to learn how to actually

848
00:28:33,190 --> 00:28:31,520
live and work in space

849
00:28:35,909 --> 00:28:33,200
look at the evas that we did out of the

850
00:28:37,510 --> 00:28:35,919
shuttle i mean we've done so many things

851
00:28:39,269 --> 00:28:37,520
with the shuttle that just could not

852
00:28:42,389 --> 00:28:39,279
have been done otherwise

853
00:28:45,350 --> 00:28:42,399
uh i think it's it's what has enabled us

854
00:28:47,909 --> 00:28:45,360
to say all right uh you know

855
00:28:49,909 --> 00:28:47,919
we got to focus on on going beyond earth

856
00:28:52,070 --> 00:28:49,919
now we we've learned how to work in low

857
00:28:54,789 --> 00:28:52,080
earth orbit we've got a lot more to

858
00:28:56,630 --> 00:28:54,799
learn about deep space and about long

859
00:28:59,510 --> 00:28:56,640
duration space flight we got a space

860
00:29:00,870 --> 00:28:59,520
station uh there as a result of this

861
00:29:03,029 --> 00:29:00,880
shuttle i think that's got to be one of

862
00:29:04,710 --> 00:29:03,039
the shuttle's crowning achievements that

863
00:29:07,669 --> 00:29:04,720
world-class laboratory that we have up

864
00:29:09,350 --> 00:29:07,679
there now we got to utilize it and

865
00:29:11,669 --> 00:29:09,360
i think the space shuttle will be

866
00:29:13,430 --> 00:29:11,679
recognized for that

867
00:29:15,909 --> 00:29:13,440
you know and robert i've addressed this

868
00:29:17,750 --> 00:29:15,919
a little bit in the past too that that i

869
00:29:18,789 --> 00:29:17,760
was asked once was the shuttle worth the

870
00:29:20,549 --> 00:29:18,799
cost

871
00:29:22,789 --> 00:29:20,559
and um

872
00:29:24,789 --> 00:29:22,799
my response was it was it was absolutely

873
00:29:26,549 --> 00:29:24,799
worth the cost but not from a monetary

874
00:29:27,830 --> 00:29:26,559
perspective but from an evolutionary

875
00:29:30,470 --> 00:29:27,840
perspective

876
00:29:32,710 --> 00:29:30,480
of the space program and and and what we

877
00:29:35,909 --> 00:29:32,720
what i believe we need to do as humans

878
00:29:38,389 --> 00:29:35,919
is go colonize elsewhere eventually and

879
00:29:40,070 --> 00:29:38,399
so as bob said we've learned to work and

880
00:29:42,630 --> 00:29:40,080
and live in low earth orbit it was it

881
00:29:44,549 --> 00:29:42,640
was a natural step in that process and

882
00:29:46,470 --> 00:29:44,559
the shuttle was was the right vehicle

883
00:29:48,870 --> 00:29:46,480
for that and it performed extreme

884
00:29:50,389 --> 00:29:48,880
extremely well and so it it's it's an

885
00:29:51,830 --> 00:29:50,399
evolutionary step we're about to take

886
00:29:54,149 --> 00:29:51,840
the next steps

887
00:29:57,029 --> 00:29:54,159
but i believe we need to to uh to have a

888
00:29:58,789 --> 00:29:57,039
vision as a as a being

889
00:30:00,389 --> 00:29:58,799
that eventually we need to go colonize

890
00:30:01,350 --> 00:30:00,399
elsewhere and that ought to be our

891
00:30:03,830 --> 00:30:01,360
vision

892
00:30:06,710 --> 00:30:03,840
and and and enable that somehow over the

893
00:30:08,789 --> 00:30:06,720
next many many decades obviously

894
00:30:10,549 --> 00:30:08,799
centuries but

895
00:30:13,190 --> 00:30:10,559
the shuttle will always be looked back

896
00:30:15,110 --> 00:30:13,200
upon as the next logical step after

897
00:30:20,870 --> 00:30:15,120
apollo and then we need to go to the

898
00:30:24,549 --> 00:30:22,630
mark ratterman with talking space a

899
00:30:26,470 --> 00:30:24,559
question from mike weinbach we've been

900
00:30:28,630 --> 00:30:26,480
talking about change

901
00:30:30,630 --> 00:30:28,640
and i've got kind of a look think back

902
00:30:33,430 --> 00:30:30,640
to look forward question

903
00:30:35,590 --> 00:30:33,440
what advice 20 years ago would have been

904
00:30:37,750 --> 00:30:35,600
nice to have to help you prepare for the

905
00:30:40,149 --> 00:30:37,760
changes of today

906
00:30:41,510 --> 00:30:40,159
uh gosh well

907
00:30:43,669 --> 00:30:41,520
change it

908
00:30:44,710 --> 00:30:43,679
as managers we've all been through a lot

909
00:30:46,549 --> 00:30:44,720
of

910
00:30:49,269 --> 00:30:46,559
management courses and and one thing

911
00:30:51,510 --> 00:30:49,279
that that comes across is the is the

912
00:30:53,669 --> 00:30:51,520
process of change and there are four

913
00:30:55,669 --> 00:30:53,679
phases of change right and it doesn't

914
00:30:57,509 --> 00:30:55,679
matter what what the change is any major

915
00:30:59,590 --> 00:30:57,519
change in one's life you go through

916
00:31:01,190 --> 00:30:59,600
these four changes these four stages and

917
00:31:04,389 --> 00:31:01,200
it's it's denial

918
00:31:06,389 --> 00:31:04,399
anger exploration and acceptance

919
00:31:08,470 --> 00:31:06,399
and so we've all been through that now

920
00:31:10,789 --> 00:31:08,480
in the shuttle program and and and we've

921
00:31:12,630 --> 00:31:10,799
accepted the fact that it's over i think

922
00:31:14,070 --> 00:31:12,640
if we look back you know a number of

923
00:31:15,590 --> 00:31:14,080
years maybe four or five years we knew

924
00:31:17,430 --> 00:31:15,600
the end was coming

925
00:31:19,509 --> 00:31:17,440
i believe i believe the workforce has

926
00:31:21,830 --> 00:31:19,519
has handled that change well um because

927
00:31:22,710 --> 00:31:21,840
we were given that time to accept that

928
00:31:25,029 --> 00:31:22,720
change

929
00:31:27,029 --> 00:31:25,039
uh the finality of it is there's no

930
00:31:28,549 --> 00:31:27,039
doubt it's over now and and that affects

931
00:31:30,070 --> 00:31:28,559
a lot of people

932
00:31:32,549 --> 00:31:30,080
but given the fact that we had three or

933
00:31:35,669 --> 00:31:32,559
four years to prepare for this really

934
00:31:37,430 --> 00:31:35,679
very very focused way

935
00:31:39,669 --> 00:31:37,440
i think helped the people

936
00:31:41,350 --> 00:31:39,679
deal with that and and

937
00:31:43,590 --> 00:31:41,360
i heard nothing but pride out on the

938
00:31:45,430 --> 00:31:43,600
runway today when i talked to the people

939
00:31:48,310 --> 00:31:45,440
in between the hugs and the pats on the

940
00:31:50,630 --> 00:31:48,320
back uh the pride that they have

941
00:31:52,470 --> 00:31:50,640
of having been part of this amazing this

942
00:31:53,909 --> 00:31:52,480
amazing program this amazing bit of

943
00:31:55,430 --> 00:31:53,919
history

944
00:31:57,509 --> 00:31:55,440
no one can ever take that away from us

945
00:31:59,430 --> 00:31:57,519
and so i think over the last three four

946
00:32:01,509 --> 00:31:59,440
years we've been concentrating on

947
00:32:03,909 --> 00:32:01,519
completing the job that we're given to

948
00:32:05,750 --> 00:32:03,919
do we've done that now successfully we

949
00:32:09,350 --> 00:32:05,760
have a lot of pride in that and no one

950
00:32:13,830 --> 00:32:10,789
james

951
00:32:15,909 --> 00:32:13,840
leinbach he kind of just touched on this

952
00:32:17,509 --> 00:32:15,919
but i was going to ask um

953
00:32:18,710 --> 00:32:17,519
one of fergie's comments during an

954
00:32:20,710 --> 00:32:18,720
interview

955
00:32:22,230 --> 00:32:20,720
with respect to the um sort of

956
00:32:23,669 --> 00:32:22,240
despondent mood among the worst

957
00:32:24,870 --> 00:32:23,679
workforce was that we needed to go

958
00:32:26,789 --> 00:32:24,880
through kind of a

959
00:32:28,310 --> 00:32:26,799
moment like being out awake

960
00:32:30,070 --> 00:32:28,320
to

961
00:32:31,430 --> 00:32:30,080
get through that grief and and get

962
00:32:33,430 --> 00:32:31,440
through the acceptance and all that i

963
00:32:34,470 --> 00:32:33,440
wondered if you felt like uh

964
00:32:36,310 --> 00:32:34,480
we're

965
00:32:38,149 --> 00:32:36,320
that might be what's going on today as

966
00:32:39,990 --> 00:32:38,159
as we're seeing the toe back and

967
00:32:42,070 --> 00:32:40,000
and the celebration that'll happen and

968
00:32:43,509 --> 00:32:42,080
and um you know if that'll you'll have

969
00:32:44,789 --> 00:32:43,519
more of a sense after today being able

970
00:32:47,110 --> 00:32:44,799
to move on

971
00:32:49,029 --> 00:32:47,120
well certainly there's that again those

972
00:32:50,630 --> 00:32:49,039
processes those phases of change are

973
00:32:54,070 --> 00:32:50,640
coming into play today

974
00:32:55,990 --> 00:32:54,080
um but this is this is a this is a

975
00:32:57,830 --> 00:32:56,000
a machine that we have to retire it's a

976
00:33:00,549 --> 00:32:57,840
program that's that's over

977
00:33:01,669 --> 00:33:00,559
it uh it's not as traumatic as people

978
00:33:03,750 --> 00:33:01,679
think it is

979
00:33:05,110 --> 00:33:03,760
it's uh i've been through a lot more

980
00:33:06,070 --> 00:33:05,120
traumatic things in my life and these

981
00:33:07,509 --> 00:33:06,080
guys have been through a lot more

982
00:33:08,630 --> 00:33:07,519
traumatic things in their lives and you

983
00:33:10,070 --> 00:33:08,640
have too

984
00:33:14,230 --> 00:33:10,080
this is the end of the program people

985
00:33:17,190 --> 00:33:16,070
it's the loss of something that means

986
00:33:21,190 --> 00:33:17,200
important

987
00:33:24,389 --> 00:33:21,200
certainly nothing like

988
00:33:25,909 --> 00:33:24,399
the loss of a family member it it's

989
00:33:27,269 --> 00:33:25,919
important but it's not the end of the

990
00:33:31,909 --> 00:33:27,279
world

991
00:33:36,789 --> 00:33:34,310
back over here uh donna linewood from

992
00:33:40,310 --> 00:33:36,799
usa today this is for anyone who wants

993
00:33:43,350 --> 00:33:40,320
to answer it looking at a non-shuttle

994
00:33:46,710 --> 00:33:43,360
program right now what that's going on

995
00:33:49,190 --> 00:33:46,720
in nasa makes you excited

996
00:33:50,549 --> 00:33:49,200
what do you think that the general

997
00:33:52,389 --> 00:33:50,559
public should be

998
00:33:54,149 --> 00:33:52,399
interested in when they look at nasa

999
00:33:55,990 --> 00:33:54,159
programs

1000
00:33:57,750 --> 00:33:56,000
until you start going

1001
00:33:59,830 --> 00:33:57,760
real quick and somebody else can add

1002
00:34:02,230 --> 00:33:59,840
more and uh

1003
00:34:04,389 --> 00:34:02,240
we got three awesome science missions

1004
00:34:07,830 --> 00:34:04,399
coming up here june august 5th grail to

1005
00:34:08,869 --> 00:34:07,840
the moon and i was over in the phsf

1006
00:34:11,270 --> 00:34:08,879
yesterday

1007
00:34:12,869 --> 00:34:11,280
looking at the mars science lab

1008
00:34:14,710 --> 00:34:12,879
you know the rover

1009
00:34:17,270 --> 00:34:14,720
going through its final testing before

1010
00:34:18,710 --> 00:34:17,280
it all gets packed up to send something

1011
00:34:19,909 --> 00:34:18,720
the size of a

1012
00:34:22,550 --> 00:34:19,919
car

1013
00:34:24,389 --> 00:34:22,560
to the surface of mars to explore for at

1014
00:34:27,109 --> 00:34:24,399
least two years

1015
00:34:29,829 --> 00:34:27,119
that's exciting having a rover that big

1016
00:34:31,430 --> 00:34:29,839
with the capability that it has

1017
00:34:33,589 --> 00:34:31,440
not to mention the unique way that it's

1018
00:34:35,270 --> 00:34:33,599
getting delivered to mars i mean this is

1019
00:34:36,950 --> 00:34:35,280
great stuff

1020
00:34:38,710 --> 00:34:36,960
people ought to be excited about it it's

1021
00:34:41,109 --> 00:34:38,720
neat it's a precursor to sending humans

1022
00:34:43,909 --> 00:34:41,119
here having these robots go explore and

1023
00:34:45,510 --> 00:34:43,919
learn to prepare us for the future

1024
00:34:46,950 --> 00:34:45,520
and you know i would just say we got to

1025
00:34:49,109 --> 00:34:46,960
see it today

1026
00:34:50,230 --> 00:34:49,119
nine minutes before landing this little

1027
00:34:52,310 --> 00:34:50,240
white dot

1028
00:34:55,109 --> 00:34:52,320
went over the horizon and it was a

1029
00:34:57,190 --> 00:34:55,119
that's a 900 000 pound research facility

1030
00:34:59,670 --> 00:34:57,200
in space with six

1031
00:35:03,030 --> 00:34:59,680
people international folks

1032
00:35:05,030 --> 00:35:03,040
living every day in space doing research

1033
00:35:07,190 --> 00:35:05,040
now that's not easy because that little

1034
00:35:08,870 --> 00:35:07,200
white dot it's hard to see the solar

1035
00:35:10,630 --> 00:35:08,880
rays it's hard to see it's as big as a

1036
00:35:12,310 --> 00:35:10,640
football field it's hard to understand

1037
00:35:13,589 --> 00:35:12,320
the research

1038
00:35:15,190 --> 00:35:13,599
and so we're going to have to

1039
00:35:17,270 --> 00:35:15,200
collectively all figure out a way we

1040
00:35:19,109 --> 00:35:17,280
talk about it differently you know it's

1041
00:35:20,790 --> 00:35:19,119
easy to come and see a launch you can

1042
00:35:23,109 --> 00:35:20,800
feel the launch you can see the launch

1043
00:35:23,910 --> 00:35:23,119
you can internalize it yourself

1044
00:35:25,750 --> 00:35:23,920
but

1045
00:35:27,589 --> 00:35:25,760
that research activity of what we're

1046
00:35:30,630 --> 00:35:27,599
doing those are really the first steps

1047
00:35:33,109 --> 00:35:30,640
we're getting to go beyond beyond low

1048
00:35:35,910 --> 00:35:33,119
earth orbit or to actually go colonize

1049
00:35:38,310 --> 00:35:35,920
beyond the earth as mike describes so

1050
00:35:40,630 --> 00:35:38,320
these that is the next phase so how do

1051
00:35:42,630 --> 00:35:40,640
we as a people talk about that in a way

1052
00:35:44,470 --> 00:35:42,640
that relates to to everyday folks that

1053
00:35:46,310 --> 00:35:44,480
they can understand what the potential

1054
00:35:48,390 --> 00:35:46,320
is of that research facility and that's

1055
00:35:50,069 --> 00:35:48,400
our collective challenges how we make

1056
00:35:52,230 --> 00:35:50,079
that connection how do you make that

1057
00:35:54,630 --> 00:35:52,240
little white dot real that's as exciting

1058
00:35:58,069 --> 00:35:54,640
as a launch that you see or is a landing

1059
00:35:59,510 --> 00:35:58,079
that you saw nine minutes later

1060
00:36:06,630 --> 00:35:59,520
jay

1061
00:36:07,670 --> 00:36:06,640
if i wrote tonight

1062
00:36:10,150 --> 00:36:07,680
that

1063
00:36:11,510 --> 00:36:10,160
your heavy lift coming up now i realize

1064
00:36:13,990 --> 00:36:11,520
you cannot

1065
00:36:15,589 --> 00:36:14,000
answer this and i respect that

1066
00:36:18,550 --> 00:36:15,599
but if i wrote tonight that your heavy

1067
00:36:21,109 --> 00:36:18,560
lift coming up would use

1068
00:36:23,109 --> 00:36:21,119
the current shuttle boosters

1069
00:36:26,550 --> 00:36:23,119
current uh tank

1070
00:36:30,150 --> 00:36:26,560
ssme engines and the j2

1071
00:36:32,310 --> 00:36:30,160
to go into space and it would be

1072
00:36:34,710 --> 00:36:32,320
built in a fashion

1073
00:36:37,190 --> 00:36:34,720
that could be updated

1074
00:36:40,150 --> 00:36:37,200
throughout the coming years with better

1075
00:36:41,349 --> 00:36:40,160
propulsion systems or newer more better

1076
00:36:44,550 --> 00:36:41,359
technology

1077
00:36:50,310 --> 00:36:44,560
rather than fixed into that position

1078
00:36:54,310 --> 00:36:52,790
the answer is yes because it's got

1079
00:36:57,430 --> 00:36:54,320
pieces of those but it doesn't have it

1080
00:36:59,430 --> 00:36:57,440
the way you described it so so you

1081
00:37:00,230 --> 00:36:59,440
we got to be careful right so

1082
00:37:02,390 --> 00:37:00,240
so

1083
00:37:03,829 --> 00:37:02,400
let us get to the process let us have

1084
00:37:06,150 --> 00:37:03,839
some folks review it and see where they

1085
00:37:07,670 --> 00:37:06,160
are but but that's that's a little too

1086
00:37:09,270 --> 00:37:07,680
clean a little too crisp and it's a

1087
00:37:11,190 --> 00:37:09,280
little more complex than what you

1088
00:37:12,069 --> 00:37:11,200
described so the ant the simple answer

1089
00:37:14,470 --> 00:37:12,079
is no

1090
00:37:16,069 --> 00:37:14,480
okay well i've got a lot more than i had

1091
00:37:19,910 --> 00:37:16,079
all right

1092
00:37:24,310 --> 00:37:21,750
hi curtis krueger with st petersburg

1093
00:37:27,109 --> 00:37:24,320
times you all mentioned a lot of pride

1094
00:37:29,430 --> 00:37:27,119
and national pride in the workforce from

1095
00:37:31,109 --> 00:37:29,440
the workforce in this space shuttle

1096
00:37:33,030 --> 00:37:31,119
that's got the american flag and the

1097
00:37:34,550 --> 00:37:33,040
nasa meatball on it

1098
00:37:37,109 --> 00:37:34,560
how will

1099
00:37:38,390 --> 00:37:37,119
your view change and how should the

1100
00:37:40,310 --> 00:37:38,400
nation

1101
00:37:42,069 --> 00:37:40,320
make of it when the next astronauts who

1102
00:37:47,750 --> 00:37:42,079
fly are on commercial

1103
00:37:50,550 --> 00:37:49,030
well i'm assuming those commercial

1104
00:37:51,750 --> 00:37:50,560
vehicles are built here in the united

1105
00:37:53,670 --> 00:37:51,760
states they're still going to have an

1106
00:37:55,510 --> 00:37:53,680
american flag and

1107
00:37:56,870 --> 00:37:55,520
they'll be supporting nasa missions i

1108
00:37:57,910 --> 00:37:56,880
think they ought to take great pride

1109
00:37:59,589 --> 00:37:57,920
that

1110
00:38:02,150 --> 00:37:59,599
we're expanding the

1111
00:38:04,470 --> 00:38:02,160
envelope and trying to open up space to

1112
00:38:05,829 --> 00:38:04,480
to everyone uh it's going to take a lot

1113
00:38:07,589 --> 00:38:05,839
of work and it's not going to happen

1114
00:38:08,550 --> 00:38:07,599
overnight but

1115
00:38:10,870 --> 00:38:08,560
they're

1116
00:38:12,870 --> 00:38:10,880
american rockets and american spacecraft

1117
00:38:16,950 --> 00:38:12,880
taking american crews to space so they

1118
00:38:20,390 --> 00:38:18,230
we'll wrap it up with a question from

1119
00:38:21,990 --> 00:38:20,400
robert perlman hi robert problem with

1120
00:38:24,550 --> 00:38:22,000
clexspace.com with a question for mike

1121
00:38:26,230 --> 00:38:24,560
leinbach um i asked some of uh the other

1122
00:38:28,870 --> 00:38:26,240
shuttle team members this question back

1123
00:38:30,950 --> 00:38:28,880
in houston um there is one more shuttle

1124
00:38:32,470 --> 00:38:30,960
still flying i'll be albeit it's quite

1125
00:38:33,750 --> 00:38:32,480
small the

1126
00:38:35,510 --> 00:38:33,760
shuttle model that was left on the

1127
00:38:36,710 --> 00:38:35,520
international space station that you and

1128
00:38:39,030 --> 00:38:36,720
others signed

1129
00:38:41,109 --> 00:38:39,040
um can you share what it means uh what

1130
00:38:44,150 --> 00:38:41,119
that what the crew call the monument

1131
00:38:46,710 --> 00:38:44,160
means to you and and your role of having

1132
00:38:48,950 --> 00:38:46,720
uh the signature on it

1133
00:38:50,470 --> 00:38:48,960
well i was i was uh completely honored

1134
00:38:52,950 --> 00:38:50,480
to be asked to sign that and and i

1135
00:38:54,470 --> 00:38:52,960
remember when i signed it i told john

1136
00:38:55,990 --> 00:38:54,480
shannon i'm signing on behalf of the

1137
00:38:57,990 --> 00:38:56,000
launch team and the processing teams

1138
00:38:59,510 --> 00:38:58,000
here at the kennedy space center so a

1139
00:39:01,510 --> 00:38:59,520
little bit of everyone is on that

1140
00:39:03,510 --> 00:39:01,520
signature up there and and

1141
00:39:06,150 --> 00:39:03,520
that means a lot you know it it's a it's

1142
00:39:07,589 --> 00:39:06,160
a tangible thing that we can go retrieve

1143
00:39:10,230 --> 00:39:07,599
one day and and

1144
00:39:11,750 --> 00:39:10,240
look back on on the shuttle program

1145
00:39:13,510 --> 00:39:11,760
there's a little bit of everybody on the

1146
00:39:16,550 --> 00:39:13,520
space station right now

1147
00:39:20,150 --> 00:39:18,310
all right well uh we are going to close

1148
00:39:22,310 --> 00:39:20,160
things atlantis is uh being towed back

1149
00:39:24,390 --> 00:39:22,320
to the orbiter processing facility as we

1150
00:39:26,550 --> 00:39:24,400
speak in in about an hour there will be

1151
00:39:27,990 --> 00:39:26,560
an employee appreciation event the

1152
00:39:30,390 --> 00:39:28,000
beginning of which you'll get to watch

1153
00:39:31,109 --> 00:39:30,400
live on nasa television with mr cabana

1154
00:39:33,510 --> 00:39:31,119
and

1155
00:39:35,910 --> 00:39:33,520
nasa administrator charles bolden uh

1156
00:39:37,829 --> 00:39:35,920
that'll be the next kennedy activity on

1157
00:39:39,670 --> 00:39:37,839
nasa television so once again thank you